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On Pentacost Sunday June 12, 2011, I got thought add a page Muslim on Trinity and did before Holy Trinity Sunday on June 19, 2011

The Trinity is not fix rules but it is God goodwill way of everyday life and we say Trinity three essence functions God the life

ILLUSTRATIONS

Three functions of the Spirit one God is Trinity. Countless examples prove the Trinity, three functions of the Person is be three nature in one person all in all the fulfilling eliments in the one - a man can be father of his son - son of his father - husband. The relationship is the function but not a person.

Heart - Mind - Soul, (Honor God ) All People

Worship God at home, Mosque and Mecca – ( Three in one ) Muslim

3 Abrahamic: Jewish – Christian – Islam ( There in one ) Religion

God - Love - Future ( Three in one ) Unending

Nature, man, woman – ( Three in one ) birth

Mind – thought – words (three in one ) Talk

Womb – earth – eternal ( Three in one ) Life

Past – present – future ( Three in one ) Time

Heaven Earth Hell ( Three in one ) Space

Space – matter and Time ( Three in one ) Universe

Ocean – land – air ( Three in one ) Earth

Fire – Light – heat ( Three in one ) Power

Ice – water – steam ( Three in one ) Energy

Life – liberty – prosperity ( Three in one ) Happiness

Food – Clothing – Shelter ( Three in life ) Peace

Learn – do it – save it for future ( Three in one ) Care

Way – Life – Truth ( Three in one ) Jesus

Triangle ( Three in one ) Maths - see below

Old – New - Jesus will return ( Three in one ) Testament

Executive, Legislative - Judicial ( Three in one ) government

For self, others for you - you for others ( Three in one ) prayer

Love - Peace - Happiness (Three in one) Salvation

Spirit - Water - Blood ( Three in one ) Jesus

Grace(Jesus) - Love(God) - Fellowship(Holy Spirit) - Trinity

Father - Son - Holy Spirit (Trinity) - God

Countless simple examples that Trinity is the function of the One.

Triangle is one which has three angles inseparable and simultaneous. Triangle has three sides, three corners and three angles and are three types of triangles. The one that all three sides, angles and corners are equal is the Christian - Trinity - among similar triangles it seems the best fix fit similar - may be called sides: AB - AC - BC, angles BAC - ABC - BCA, triangle ABC - BCA - CAB for function purposes but still the same one triangle - Others too believe in Trinity but on irregular may accuse the Right is the earth.

The TRINITY

I am Christian, at my level clarify Muslim doubts on the Trinity – that Muslims misunderstood the Christian on Trinity - In competition it is natural to put others down but what about own self in Quran testifying Trinity. No Muslims should say Trinity of the Christian is three gods; Jew, Christian and Islam still maintain Abrahamic origin of one true God. The Spirit is neither Arabic nor Greek nor Indian nor any other, the Spirit is one God origin. A culture is spoken and used in terms of the purpose and when exact of the Spirit unavailable figure of speech is used. A culture if hates another never learns to the truth. A cow is a cow regardless where it is - so as pork - but between two cultures can be of day and night difference. Which is right or wrong, that comes from the right. Holy Spirit guide Muslim that the Trinity is not three gods, the Trinity is one God.

The Bible firmly declares that there is only one God – same so the Quran. Jesus:..."Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one." (Mark 12:29, or Romans 3:29-30, James 2:19) The Quran too testifies that Jews and Christians, believe in one God:

Dispute is not with the People of the Scriptures, except with those who wish to impose injury. But say, "We believe in the Revelation which has come down to us and in that which came down to you; Our God and your God is One; and it is to Him we bow in Islam." (Surah 29, 'Ankabut, verse 46)

CLARIFYING MISUNDERSTANDINGS - Why Blame Christians - Why Not to the self

The three gods came from tribes of the Arabic region. There were several tribes and believed in many gods there. Muslim, religion was born during the 7th Century AD from mostly Christians and tribes. As a new born religion wants to win over the others. In there A cult called Maryanaya spread false belief that Jesus and his mother Mary would be two separate gods besides God. This cult no more in existance. The Muslim was right to speak out against such impiety but used as a major tool to grow against the Christians by blamed Christians worship three gods - On those days printed books not available - word of mouth was popular.

And behold! God will say: "O Jesus, the son of Mary, didst thou say unto men, 'Worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of God,?' He will say: 'Glory to Thee! Never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, Thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, though I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden.'" (Surah 5 Maida, verse 116)

To say, as the minority cult of the Maryanyas did, that Mary was the mother of God through whom He produced a physical son, and both were to be taken as separate gods besides God, is silly! This absurd of the Trinity is completely condemned by both Islam and Christianity! The Quran rejects it in clear terms in Surah 4, Al Nisa, verse 171.

The Trinity has also been meant wrong three persons on the one person only. Neither are there three substances nor in one substance. The Christians definition of the Trinity is the Spirit of God in functions the Healing Creed: "We worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity; Neither confounding the Persons; nor dividing the Substance (Essence). The word "person" is used in the sense of "self with a particular function - a function of the ralationship. The person in substance think in substance that in the function of 1, nature 2, your father 3, your mother to you were born in substance, Trinity beyond substance uncomprehence in substance.

The main stream of Christianity throughout the entire world believes in one God, the Holy Trinity. It is indeed a mystery, privileged special life, as God Himself is, and as eternity and infinity are. "It is held that although the doctrine is beyond the grasp of human reason, it is, like many of the formulations of physical science, not contrary to reason, and may be apprehended though it may not be comprehended by the human mind."

The religion of Islam too faces such intellectual challenges. The Quran speaks about God in human terms. Muslims do not explain the "how", it is a fact that if God's word was revealed in a book, but how the infinite can be expressed in the finite is not clarified. But in the Christian it is revealed God became man, His son on behalf of the the Father in heaven

BIBLICAL FACTS

God many times in the Old Testament also points to the Trinity, especially since there is no royal plural of respect in Hebrew.

There are a number of verses in the New Testament that call Jesus and the Holy Spirit God, besides God the Father. (John 8:58, compare with Exodus 3:14; Acts 5:3-4 etc.) In the light of this truth the following verses are understood to be speaking about the Trinity:

Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name (singular!) of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,... (Matthew 28:19)

In Acts 2:38, 8:16, 19:4 People are baptized in the name of Jesus only. Since Jesus is now included in a way he was not in John's baptism (19:4), the abbreviated form is used in the beginning to emphasize the distinctive quality of the new baptism.

May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all. (2 Corinthians 13:14)

For more verses speaking about the Trinity when one considers the Biblical context see, Ephesians 4:4-6, 5:18-20, 1 Cor 12:4-6, Romans 8:9-11.

Even tough the word "Trinity" does not literally occur in these passages, nevertheless the concept is quite clearly taught.

In Islam God is called (1), "El Adl", meaning "the Just", (2), "El Wajid", meaning "The Inventor or Maker", (3), "Edh Dhur", meaning "the harmful", etc. (Creator – Sustainer and Destroyer in the Hindu religion – and in Christian Father – Son and Holy Spirit in plain English ) - in the list of the 99 names of God. However these words are nowhere found in the Quran but Muslims still accept these attributes as belonging to God.

As seen above, the doctrine of the Trinity is based on Biblical facts and the word itself is first found in writings of the church father Tertullian at the end of the 2nd century. The teaching was officially formulated in the 4th century as a response to false teachings.

ILLUSTRATIONS

Three functions of the same spirit is Trinity. Not just the Father Son and Holy Spirit but most things of power consist of Trinity in function. There are countless examples of proven the Trinity and the following are a few

1. Worship God at home, Mosque and at Mecca – ( Three in one ) Muslim

2. 3 Abrahamic: Jewish – Christian – Islam ( There in one ) Religin

3. Nature, man, woman – ( Three in one ) birth

4. Mind – thought – words (three in one ) Word of God

5. Life in the womb – earth – eternal ( Three in one )

6. Past – present – future ( Three in one ) Time

7. Heaven Earth Hell ( Three in one )

8. Space – matter and Time ( Three in one ) Universe

9. Ocean – land – air ( Three in one ) Earth

10. Fire – Light – Heat ( Three in one )

11. Ice – water – steam ( Three in one )

12. Life – liberty – prosperity ( Three in one )

13. Food – Clothing – Shelter ( Three in life )

14. Learn – do it – save it for future ( Three in one )

15. Way – Life – Truth ( Three in one ) Jesus

16. In construction Triangle ( Three in one )

17. Old testament – New Testament – Jesus Coming back ( Three in one )

18. Executive, Legislative - Judicial ( Three in one ) government

19. For self, others for you - you for others ( Three in one ) prayer

Countless simple examples that Trinity is the function of the One.

Triangle is one which has three angles inseparable and simultaneous. Triangle has three sides, three corners and three angles and are three types of triangles. The one that all three sides, angles and corners are equal is the Christian - Trinity - among similar triangles it seems the best fix fit similar - may be called sides: AB - AC - BC, angles BAC - ABC - BCA, triangle ABC - BCA - CAB for function purposes but still the same one triangle - Others too believe in Trinity but on irregular may accuse the Right is the earth.

The one that represents Jesus is touched by a circle that stands for his human nature, whereas the corner indicates his divine nature. (Philipians 2: 5 -11)

"How can God eat, die, etc.Jesus?") are easily answered by taking his two natures. God taken the manhood must match with human life – In order to work with humans the God became man – save birds feed birds in love yet they run away in fear so become a bird, be like a bird, they love you as you love them. You – bird and the feed all the three in one purpose – represents the Trinity of God - it is Trinity of love,

Universe is made of space, matter and time. It is more than we see - Time by itself consists of past, present and future. If any one of these is removed then universe and time will cease to be! Fire generates heat and light. Thus fire, with its light and heat is one thing. Multiplicity in unity is a very common phenomenon. This is spiritual unity which reflects the Trinity. In mathematical Trinity is 1 x 1 x 1 = 1, where 1+1+1 = 3 is not unity but is count. The Christian is in Unity not as a count.

"Muhammad was simultaneously a prophet, a husband, and a leader. Why then should a Muslim reject the idea of a plurality of functions (persons) in God." Muhammad did not claim to be the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. Jesus attained wisdom from the heaven only.

Attained the wisdom of the Unity in Trinity no one think of three gods at all. Perfect relationship the Self-knowledge gains the distinction between knower and known. Religions have self interest against the other that brings that imposed mind. Self has mind that which is capable of thinking thoughts and expressing them in words. Mind, thoughts and words are one. No one can truly express God of own Mind if addicted of another mind. Mind that expresses itself in Thoughts and Words is greater life in the Christian with peace and freedom. God in Mind and Thoughts and Words is one God and He never claimed that there would be two other gods beside Him!

The Trinity represents human observation on the unman Holy: the Mind of God (commonly referred to as God the Father), His Thoughts, (commonly referred to as God the Holy Spirit) and His Word (commonly referred to as God the Son) and may in accordance with function in the Sameness.

To conclude in short: In the Gospel according to John we read:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word (Logos) was God. He was with God in the beginning... The Word became flesh (in Jesus) and made his dwelling among us. (John 1:1,14)

The context shows clearly that Jesus is God in the flesh: He was in the beginning that means he is not created; he is eternal as God is eternal. Verse three states that through Jesus the Word, all things were made, that Jesus the Spirit God the Creator.

Some people have doubted that Jesus is really called God in this verse because in the Greek language the first word for "God", "ton theon" is different from the second, "theos". However in Greek it does not suggest this sort of shift in meaning. "This can be seen by reading other passages in the New Testament where "theos" appears in the same context both with and without the definite article, yet with no change in meaning (John 3:2, 13:3, Romans 1:21, 1 Thess. 1:9, Hebrews 9:14, 1 Peter 4:10-11). Whenever the word "theos" is used in the same construction, it always clearly refers to the true God (Mark 12:27, Luke 20:38, John 8:54, Phil. 2:13, Hebrews 11:16)". (In depth in God all doubts disappear – angels know language God ).

Remember we are humans – we are capable of the manhood in God is mind – thought – word of the Spirit - The "word" proceeds from the "mind". Both words derive meanings from Greek "Logos". The word "Logos" has several meanings. One form "Logo" gives in English "logic", meaning not ordinary word of sound, but mind expressed intelligence. God created the world by His intelligent Mind, or by His Thoughts, or by His Word, all of which mean the same. For God and His mind is the same being. An example of this is when we say, "We solved the problem with our minds." Is it us who solved it or our minds? Both are the same thing. This distinction between us and our mind is merely intellectual and does not involve separation but difference of function. Likewise, when we speak about God, His Mind of which His Thought and Word proceeds, we are not separating them, but only clarifying the issue. (These explanations are not needed if we are angels of the Spirit. )

In the Quran Jesus is called "a Word from God": Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! God giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him; his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honor in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to God; " (Surah 3, Al-i-'Imran, verse 45)

The English translation uses the relative pronoun "his" to render a masculine personal pronoun in the Arabic language. Since "Kalima" (Arabic for "word") is in the feminine gender it becomes clear that "a word" does not just mean "a word of language" but a person! We also find this clarified in the sayings of one of the Muslim scholars. The Bible speaks about the Holy Spirit being God:

Then Peter said, "Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit. You have not lied to men but to God." (Acts 5:3,4)

In a similar way the Quran (Surah 4, Al Nisa, verse 171) speaks about Jesus being a Spirit proceeding from God! In other parts people are described as having been strengthened with a spirit from God (Surah 58, Al Mujadilah, verse 22). At the creation Allah has breathed into man of His spirit (Surah 15, Al-Hijr, verse 29), but Jesus only IS the Spirit from Allah!

This is why Islamic tradition calls Jesus "Ruhullah", that means "Spirit of Allah". Neither the Spirit of Allah (the Thoughts) nor the Word (the mind expressed) of Him can have been created since whatever proceeds from God Himself is part of Him and must therefore have existed eternally. If God was without Mind at any time He would not be God; or if he was without Thoughts at any time He would cease to be the Almighty One which is impossible! Muslim theology confirms this belief by stating that the Quran is uncreated and has existed in eternity with God. There again we find plurality within unity, something that is other then God but it is at the same time one with God.